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By the the looks of the forum lately, it appears it needs some new material to keep it alive, so here's my contribution in that effort.

We just returned from a week long sage rat shoot in the Orygun outback. Decent weather this time, no blowing snow, just plenty of sunshine and our buddy "Skippy the Flying Squirrel" to enhance our shooting enjoyment.

I took my custom M700 204 Match 11 Twist rifle, but no long range opportunities to justify burning over 25grs of powder, as no elevated positions were available to take advantage of it. Shooting from the flat terrain gets much mirage, making any hits past 350 yards virtually impossible, so my 20 Vartarg got the most action out to 350, then inside of 200 yds I used my Anschutz 1715D HB in 17HMR which did a very fine job of rat launching.

Our rancher host refuses to use poison, so he welcomes us with the ability to hook our trailers to power and water, and a nice place to park them while we rid him of his sage rat problem. A true win-win situation for all, and a photo essay follows for those interested.

Half of us stayed in traliers, the other half stayed in an old double-wide with a wood stove:

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Our buddy Skippy was frolicking about just outside the window of my trailer, so he made a good subject for a 300mm telephoto lens, shot out my dinette window. I can never get that close to them when in the field.

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An accurate rifle that shoots less than .5 MOA is necessay in the fields when this is the target given when they're peeking at you from inside their mound:

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Out of respect for the rancher, no driving out into the fields, so we just set up on the perimeter two-tracks, unload, set up benches and have at it. Squirrel mounds can be seen in the distance, and that rock escarpment has a population of rock chucks also:

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My most used rifle of the trip, my Cooper M38 20Vartarg launching a Nosler 32gr Varmageddon over RL-7 for 3,700 fps:

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After a few hours, my ammo box tells the story....plenty of shooting, lots of "rat-o-batics":

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As usual when the "Eastern Oregon Raptor Feeding Society" shows up, so do the raptors; bald eagles, golden eagles, hawks and ravens to feast on the generous meals we provide:

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The terminal effects of the 32 grainers can't be overstated. It sure makes it easy for the birds to do their thing:

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Yours truly having my way with Skippy and his pals. The Cooper VT on the bench:

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My buddy Dan scanning for distant rats and rockchucks at the escarpment. He nailed one at 60 yards with his custom 10-22.

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The little ones were out, so inside of 200 yards, my Anschutz 17HMR was the perfect medicine for that work. It really thumps those guys:

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When the winds get up, cleaning in the field is problematic, blowing patches about, so cleaning back at camp on the tailgate is the hot setup:

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There's more of course, but I don't want to use up all the bandwidth. This stuff is truly the most fun you can have with a rifle! :wink:
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Hi Rick,

Sounds like a nice trip was had by all and a nice write up to by the way, as usual. I did some shooting yesterday myself, but not at rats. It was at paper @ 200 yards doing a 50-shot barrel break in I recently received back from PACNOR. I ended spending about 8-9 hours at the range [been a while since I did that]. Anyway, now I'll get busy re-establishing the load.

By the looks of it, it sounded like the weather was a bit breezy which can be inconvenient when trying those long distance shots but even still, it beats rain and snow flurries [yep, I had that once in SE Oregon]. Presumably, every one made back safe and sound.

Too bad your 204 didn't get much action but I'm sure you'll find opportunities for her so she won't feel left out.
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Well Jim, any time spent shooting is a good time. Glad you are now 50 shots into that barrel break-in. And 200 yards sure does reveal what a barrel is capable of. 8 to 9 hours at the range eh? Bet your trigger finger now feels good.

We really did not have much of an issue with wind, except for the last day when it really came up, so that day was spent doing 'drive-by' shooting out the truck windows with HMR's and our 10-22's. The entire week was about ideal with the little ones out too which really adds another level of enjoyment....for us, not so much for the rats. Our 17HMR's were the hot ticket for that, and we were all glad we took ours on the trip. Garth now has real love for his new CZ 457 Varmint HMR that really got a workout this trip. I bet he's still grinning.

None of my 204's feel left out....they always get shot eventually. Can't have them whining in the safe! :wink:
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I told myself a few years ago I was going to to work on getting invited to the EORFS annual meeting. You guys are having waaay too much fun to keep it to yourselves!
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Well then, there's literally thousands of acres of what we term the rat patch here, hundreds of ranches that have issues with Skippy and his pals. This applies to N. CA, ID and N. NV also. The trick now is to find a property that has not used the cabbage poison to eradicate the rats and will allow responsible shooters on to their property. They exist, but you must ferret them out.

This is getting more difficult every year now, and the few remaining ranches and alfalfa farms that don't use the poison get locked up by the new breed of "outfitters/guides" that secure the prime properties for themselves to make money, thereby shutting out all the local recreational shooters that have been doing it for decades....for free and helping the ranchers out by ridding them of the burrowing, alfalfa munching, crop destroying little pests. Personally, I'll never pay up to $300/day to do what I've done here for free now for 50 years. But for those that can afford such endeavors and willing to pony up, there are outfits that cater to out of towners and provide a place to shoot, even meals and overnight accommodations, as motels are far and few out here in the outback.

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This varmint shooting thing was about destroyed also by the hype from The Varmint Hunter Magazine, which encouraged it, hyped it, and got even more shooters interested in having "the most fun you can have with a rifle". Now out of print, but the damage has been done, and now we're still living with the result. If you or anyone else wants in, contact me for one guy I know that'll fix you up, but at cost. Sorry buddy, but that's just the way it is now. I truly wish I could help. :?

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Rick,

It's good to see you were once again fully engaged in the annual sage rat shoot in the Orygun outback! From the description of your adventures and judging from the much-appreciated pictures ( :salute: ), a good time was had by all...all but the fury little four legged creatures that is. :wink: And it's good to see your Annie was able to contribute to the event in a meaningful way.

When reading about your trip it is gratifying to hear there are still those ranchers who are willing to allow you to help manage their rodent pests without also charging an inordinate fee for the privilege. I trust you express your appreciation for the rancher's willingness to allow the "rat rodeo" to take place every year. As you said, finding places that haven't been leased out to an outfitter are getting harder and harder to find and once you do find one, it becomes a well-guarded prime property shared with only a select few.

Thank you for sharing and for contributing to the forum.
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MTPaul wrote: ↑Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:46 pm Rick,
It's good to see you were once again fully engaged in the annual sage rat shoot in the Orygun outback!
Thank you for sharing and for contributing to the forum.
Hey Paul, thanks for the accolades. To me, it's both fun and rewarding to share this stuff with like minded guys who enjoy the sport as much as I do.

And we do indeed thank the landowner profusely for allowing us to shoot his property, ridding him of some rats, and and for his hospitality letting us hook up our trailers on ranch property to water and power...a huge bonus and makes life out there much more enjoyable. No driving back and forth every day to the fields from overnight accommodations.

It seems every year in the rat patch I'm more enamored with the little HMR. My Annie is my third one, the only one now after fielding a 77/22 Mag with a HMR Lilja barrel for a few years, then a CZ 452 Varmint. Both shot very well, but the stunning quality of the Annie, plus the excellent accuracy has really endeared that rifle to me. Hitting rats at 250 yards with it seems not to be a problem, and at one local ranch I shoot for rockchucks that has houses nearby, using it for head shots on the chucks adds another dimension to it's usefullness when even my 20VT or FB is a bit more noise than the neighbors will tolerate. And when the little ones are out, the HMR really shines, as they're small targets, and it just doesn't seem fit to use a 20VT or FB for the task, when the HMR will launch the little pests like the CF's do on the adults.

As I seldom do the long drive for PD's anymore, these small case rifles have come into their own for me for both sage rats and rockchucks here in Orygun. It's like these small CF's and the HMR were designed with us in mind. Yeah sure, but it sounds good.

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It won't be long now until the aflalfa gets too long to see the rats, so this is the time of year I turn to rockchucks. My 20VT, Furball and the HMR will still get their legs stretched. More to follow. :wink:
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Rick in Oregon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 3:56 pm Bet your trigger finger now feels good. :wink:
Rick...the trigger finger does feel good [thanks for asking] and all things considering, 50-shots of 30.06 in my shoulder doesn't hurt a bit. The next order of business is to sight the scope in and season the barrel with H4350 since that's the powder of choice for now since it did so well previously . Any way, at 200-yds it shoots about 4-feet high and slightly right so I'll need to address that before moving FWD.

Meanwhile, I'm working on a homemade barrel cooler. I had one I bought a few years back and while it helped I feel I can do better with a homemade setup.
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Jim White wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 9:14 pmMeanwhile, I'm working on a homemade barrel cooler. I had one I bought a few years back and while it helped I feel I can do better with a homemade setup.[/i][/i]
Jim, we're hoping to see more info on that barrel cooler. In the past on a hot day shooting PD's or sage rats, the wet towel method has worked well, but primitive at best.

I remember on a couple of industry PD shoots seeing guys with both compressed air and CO2 coolers. Seemed like too much additional crap to pack about to me, but apparantly both methods work to some degree. I'd rather just put the rifle in the shade to cool and grab another one that's already got a cool barrel. I'm a fan of the KISS principle. :wink:
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Rick, I hope to try it out this week or next. What I ended up doing is getting a small air pump, some tubing and spent cases. I cut the heads off of the case and ran the tubing up inside the case so it would go all the way in the chamber and not loose any air pressure or as little as possible. I can tell you it blows about 15mph based on my Kestrel at the barrel of my 30 cal. I'll test it in a 20 cal, maybe a little more pressure due to the smaller tube.

What I don't know is how long will take to return a barrel to ambient temp just yet. In times past when I was load testing I spent a fair amount of time waiting for the barrel to cool. For this 30-06 I need the barrel to be cold so I can really test cold bore grouping because in the woods thats the reality I'm facing.

I never let my barrels get to hot to begin with but I hope I can speed the cooling process along. And of course, hot chambers and barrels impacts accuracy in various ways. So, the primary purpose of this is for the load test & verification. As far as using in the field, like you I have several rifles so after about 50-rounds or so with the 204 I put it the cradle and let it cool naturally and grab another rifle and get back to shooting. For the fireballs and VT I go about 80 rounds before cleaning them and they barley get any warm touch at all.

I'll let you know how it turns out.

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Rick in Oregon wrote: ↑Sun May 04, 2025 8:51 am
Jim, we're hoping to see more info on that barrel cooler. In the past on a hot day shooting PD's or sage rats, the wet towel method has worked well, but primitive at best.

I remember on a couple of industry PD shoots seeing guys with both compressed air and CO2 coolers. Seemed like too much additional crap to pack about to me, but apparantly both methods work to some degree. I'd rather just put the rifle in the shade to cool and grab another one that's already got a cool barrel. I'm a fan of the KISS principle. :wink:
Morning Rick,

Yesterday I tested it out. I shot 10 rounds out of my 30-06 of 180gr of Nosler BTBT rounds to foul my barrel with H4350 residue. It raised the barrel TEMP to where it was warm but not hot. There was enough heat that I could see a very light mirage through the scope [Leupold VARI-X-III, 3.5-10x40] when aiming for a shot. A minute or so after the last shot I inserted the homemade barrel cooler and the barrel temp had returned to ambient temperature in 4-minutes.

Later on in the afternoon I did another experiment this time using M852 in my AR-10. I shot a 20-shot string to get the the barrel warmer this time around. Plugged in the cooler and after 8 minutes it was back at ambient TEMP. For the purposes I was using it for it is quite affective because it beats sitting around for a barrel to cool before one can resume cold bore testing.

For in the field, since I have multiple varmint rigs I wouldn't bother. I would do like you mentioned, clean it and let it cool while you're back at it administering Skippy's exercise program. But for load testing of a larger caliber rifle with a sporter size barrel where 3-shots with a cold bore is the best you'll ever get in that environment it works really well. Yeah, I can see where cold rags and/or pouring cold water down the barrel would be a mess.

What I actually use is-not the $60 item called "Barrel Cooler", it's a small portable air pump that moves a higher volume air quite a bet faster. On my 30 cal barrels it reads up to 15 mph which is significantly more than the Barrel-Cooler labeled item. Anyway, a trip to the local Coast-to-Coast for some tubing, a small tube of Gorilla Glue and some spare cases with the head cut off and you're in business. You don't have to use the shell casings but it does help with the efficiency of not loosing air out the the action. Do note that these have internal batteries that will ultimately need charging if being used remotely.

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Jim,

Glad to hear the barrel cooler worked as hoped. As you mentioned, it should work well for working up loads and not have to wait for normal barrel temps to return to ambient temps.

In the past few years of rat shooting, most of it has been done before June, so little need for even wet towels to cool in the field, as springtime shooting does not get those high outside temps. I recall one shoot a few years ago in N. CA where it was 96* in the shade. That event really could have used your new cooler, as even when putting a hot rifle in the shade, it still took a half hour to get to a reasonable temp to resume shooting.

So when will you apply for your patent? :lol:
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Rick in Oregon wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 9:04 am So when will you apply for your patent? :lol:
Never thought about that since anyone can piece one together pretty much from a hardware store and besides, some SOB would come along and want a piece of the pie. Heck, I'll just stick to shootin' and enjoy life :D
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